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  2/2022 WT: a repeated request & more doubletalk

  by neat blue dog in

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  we all know the now famous quote, "all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

  " well, this point is regurgitated in the latest wt, along with yet another new bunker scene:.

  "during the great tribulation, we may receive instructions that seem strange, impractical, or illogical .

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  “WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?”

  12. Since the Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible, what questions arise?

  12 The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.

  So why would anyone follow their instructions if they thought they were "strange, impractical, illogical"?

  George
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  So, When Did They Stop Singing?

  by Atlantis in

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  rutherford said:.

  a few words like the above pronounced at the beginning of the study would be far more beneficial than to occupy the same time in singing songs, which often express much that is out of harmony with the truth of and concerning god's kingdom.watchtower/1938/may/1st/pg.139 .

  back then, they had what was called: order of study, and this is what every overseer was instructed to say to the audience.. .

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  I understand that as soon as Rutherford kicked-the-bucket, they all started singing again. JW's did not agree with Rutherford's interpretation.

  On 9th August 1944 at the Convention in Buffalo, F W Franz released a new song book "Kingdom Service Song Book" available at 10c per copy. New song released "Take Sides With Jehovah" which many on here will remember. There was a a talk leading up to this showing why JW's should be singing. WT September 15, 1944 P285.

  George

  
  
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  Talk Outlines You Might Want!

  by Atlantis in

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  talk outlines you might want and a lot of them are dated 2020.. .

  https://filetransfer.io/data-package/i3fcrbfc#link.

  let me know if anyone wants the "original" zion's watch tower issues in pdf and searchable.

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  Does anyone have a copy of the Public Talk outline

  "The origin of humans - does it matter what you believe?"

  I have the 2000 version (133) but wondered if there is a later version. Atlantis's file link above is no longer valid.

  Many thanks in advance.

  George
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  What changes are on the way?

  by insearchoftruth in

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  i was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.

  anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.

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  Any changes of doctrine will be trivial items that will largely go unnoticed and mostly not understood or cared about.

  I cannot see any major changes such as dropping 607BCE which would wake up too many if they admitted they had had this date wrong since they changed from 606BCE back in 1943.

  The investment in Ramapo and such shows it is going to be a digital future and selling KH's and AH's will speed this along.

  I may be too old to see many of the changes but they will come.

  George
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  So, When Did They Stop Singing?

  by Atlantis in

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  rutherford said:.

  a few words like the above pronounced at the beginning of the study would be far more beneficial than to occupy the same time in singing songs, which often express much that is out of harmony with the truth of and concerning god's kingdom.watchtower/1938/may/1st/pg.139 .

  back then, they had what was called: order of study, and this is what every overseer was instructed to say to the audience.. .

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  Well Atlantis, they certainly didn't mention that in this week's video "The Gift of Song Part 2". When you want to know the full story instead of the redacted version, we know where to come!

  Thank you

  George
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  how long after a fade does the local hall keep your records?

  by mickbobcat in

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  so i have not been to a kh for 26 years.

  if i wanted to dissociate what would be the procedure and is there any gain in doing it so long after i left?.

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  I suppose all congregations are different.

  In my congregation after a fortnight you'll probably be forgotten. We have quite a lot of old/sick ones, some in nursing homes. They never get a mention until the announcement for the funeral.

  George
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  God punishing organization

  by asp59 in

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  if you are a jw you think god is punishing watchtower?

  after watchtower got banned in russia and buildings seized, lot's jws said russia would be punished.

  org kept losing in court with child abuse cases.

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  Don't blame God. The problems are caused by having incompetent ex missionaries, ex DO's and the like trying to run a multi billion dollar corporation. They have no education, no training and no real experience. A recipe for disaster.

  George
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  False members numbers

  by asp59 in

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  is watchtower faking there member numbers?

  i live in europe.

  for the last 15 year's probably 25 person i knew or more were df, pimo, left by own will, inactive.

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  Four years ago we had a congregation with just on 100 active publishers. I have no idea how many report now but our meeting attendance, even with ZOOM is rarely above 50. There is a malaise even among the elders, trying to get people to answer is like getting blood out of a stone.

  George
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  Records

  by Jerryh in

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  i was never a witness but i think they keep extensive records.

  could they produce these names today?.

  mostly curious.. .

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  I think they are speaking of after Armageddon when all the 144K are in situ in the heavens.

  How will this list of names be conveyed to the earthly survivors? I suspect MBC's idea of the CIA stars is the most likely. They will be erected on a wall, blank of course, and during the night they will be magically miraculous filled in or engraved by an angel with an engraving tool and a scroll, probably written by Chief David Splane.
  

  George
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  Just wondering

  by Iamallcool in

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  can someone with dementia get disfellowshipped?.

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  Can someone with dementia die and leave their money to the Society in their will?

  Definitely! I remember a case some years ago where a brother was disfellowshipped but died before he changed his will, leaving everything to the WT Society. Not only did they accept it but refused to make a small donation from it to the autistic nephew of the brother.
  

  George